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HSFY- A summary.

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by , 29-10-11 at 02:52 AM (2339 Views)
Time for my very subjective impressions of Otago university's health-sciences first year course. Any good grammar is not intentional, and is the result of my computer's spell-checker.

First, we'll start with my favourite papers.
I'd like to point out that this list is based neither on my performance in the respective papers, nor their relative difficulties, but rather my very subjective, overly opinionated views. As such, this list will differ vastly from other people's. But here goes:

1) PHSI191. 'What?!' I hear you say. However, PHSI191's hilarious, and very effective lectures not only had me in stitches, but also improved my physics capabilities from NNAA in NCEA level 3 physics, to 89% in PHSI191, without a significant increase in my physics-related workload. The content was not overly difficult, and was very well explained, to the point where even I (who failed level 2 maths) understood it. Having gone into this course expecting it to be my downfall, I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of teaching, and resulting good grades from me. The only downside of the course for me was the complete irrelevance of the 'labs', although they did provide useful access to tutors, who were only too happy to help explain any concepts you couldn't grasp. To those of you in future years going 'Why the f**k am I wasting my time with this subject?!', fear not, its relevance will become blindingly obvious within one lecture on HUBS192.

2) HEAL192. 'Ok, this guy is nuts. His top two are physics and epi?!'. Bear with me. The course content is actually really, really interesting, if you try and understand it, rather than just rote-learn it. Sure, I may not have been the top of HSFY in this paper, but it's relevance to, well, everything, is just so obvious. If I don't make it into medicine, I'd be seriously tempted to go for an MPH. Heck, even if I do make it into medicine, public health is definitely an avenue I wouldn't rule out (read: Yes, I'm fully aware I'm far too junior to even be beginning to contemplate a specialty, fear not, I'm not actually retarded). Also, although many of you hated Dr. Horseborough (Who, incidentally, I saw at burger king today...), I found him brilliant (if somewhat cringe-worthy, at times), and the rest of the HEAL staff likewise. Also, unlike the numerous rumours of the previous HEAL assessments, I found that the HEAL assessments of 2011 focused very heavily on what was emphasised in lectures, and was very fair, requiring understanding, rather than the usual HSFY rote-learning. Which I liked. The only downside for HEAL, in my opinion, was the terrible wording of several tutorial exit-test questions, resulting in their removal, which I felt made the whole process just slightly less fair (probably because I got all of the removed questions right, which would bias my opinion. But hey, this is my blog, I can say whatever I like ). But seriously, the opportunity to use the logical, 'thinking' part of my brain in HSFY was a refreshing change from most of the other papers, and I really enjoyed this course's challenges of my thought processes.

3) HUBS191/2. Simple: This course was blatantly obviously relevant to the reason I came down to Otago. Because of this, I found the course content stimulating (even if there was oodles of it, and it required that vast majority of my study time, to get lower marks than most of my other papers). Plus, any course with Matt Bevin lecturing part of it, is going to be good.

4) MAOR102. Not stricly-speaking an HSFY paper, sure, but lets face it, it may as well be, since around half of HSFY take it. I'd say most of my enjoyment of this course came from the fact it was totally unrelated to any of my other papers (except perhaps HEAL), and so gave me something non-HSFY related to do. I found the first half of this course (the pre-contact part) very, very interesting, and were it not for the second part of the course, this likely would have been my favourite paper. However, the way the information was presented in the second half of the course didn't sit so well with the scientist in me (I shan't go into too much detail except to say that I felt that the information was presented in a rather biased way, which rather ignored all sides of the argument which didn't directly benefit the point they were trying to make), which took the shine off the apple for me somewhat. Overall, a paper I went into expecting to be bored by, but actually found very interesting, and thought-provoking.

5) CHEM191. My worst paper of semester one, and hopefully the year. I didn't really find the content that useful in the long run (seriously kiddies, your CHEM191 'skills' are totally irrelevant in BIOC, despite CHEM being a prerequisite). However, I found the assessment structure fair, and the lecturers both effective and able to stimulate my interest in a topic I have no real interest in. The labs were, surprisingly, really interesting (I made panadol!), however my general hatred of anything even remotely related to chemistry sees this paper near the bottom of my list.

6) CELS191. My best paper of semester one, and likely the year. Sure, the content was interesting, but I found the assessment structure nothing short of ridiculous (see: GLM1, the most ludicrously badly-worded test ever written), and the lab course totally and utterly irrelevant, and a complete waste of my time. Seriously, if you're not going to assess the labs in any formal assessment other than badly-written, overly-complicated online tests, don't even bother having a laboratory component to the course, especially if the lab sessions have nothing to do with the lectures whatsoever. The only thing that prevents this papers from being at the bottom of my list, was Peter Dearden's pure concentrated awesomeness (approx. 10mol/L).

7) BIOC192. I'm fully aware that this may seem like an odd recipient for the wooden-spoon. However, to me the paper was overall rather forgettable. Sure, the lecturers (especially Zaharic) were effective, and the lecture-handouts nothing short of life-saving, but to be honest I just found the course material more than slightly disinteresting, and the labs no more useful than those of CELS. Probably an unfair reflection of an overall very well-run course, but for me, this paper held nothing of interest, and I was glad to be done with it.

A note on UniCol: It wasn't even on my preference list for residential colleges, but when I was offered a place here, I decided it would be better than flatting during first year. I'm very glad I decided this. Sure, UniCol can be pretty loud on 'drinking nights' (Thursday and Saturday in particular), but that's nothing a good pair of earplugs can't fix. The master (Chris Addington) is a real character, and keeps the place in good order, and I really respect the guy for what he does; running a college of 517 hormone-ridden teenagers cannot be an easy job, but he takes it all in his stride (as do all the staff), and the college runs really smoothly. Sure, the food isn't overly fantastic (but really, it's not that bad either, and it's definitely better than anything I could cook), but it's not exactly a deal-breaker. Overall, I've made plenty of great friends here, and I'm really glad I got put here. It is a college that promotes a really healthy balance between grades and social life (although you have to be very careful as a health-sci to keep the grades side of that balance higher than the social life side....), and I feel that being placed in UniCol (as opposed to my first-choice colleges St. Margaret's and Carrington) has actually been a good thing for me (read: I'm not ripping on those two colleges, I'm sure they're great. However, for me, UniCol helped me to not be too much of 'that' health-sci). I'll end this section with this: If you get offered a place in UniCol, take it. There are definitely worse places you could be staying in first year.

Pet peves: Consider this my list of 'If you ever do this, expect me to despise you'.
1) People who whinge about the way the course is administrated, especially those who b**ch that test results are taking too long. Seriously, there's >1300 of us. You're lucky it doesn't take 2 months to get your terms test results back, they're working as hard as they can, so don't whinge.
2) People who study ~12 hours a day, for the whole of HSFY. Seriously, you're not going to improve your marks by doing this. All it proves is that you're obsessed with HSFY to an unhealthy stage, not that you really want medicine. You have to have a balance, and working smart>working long hours.
3) People who spread rumours to screw with people. Don't do it. The others are in the same boat as you, and they're all really scared and gullible. Don't prey on that for your own advantage, prick.
4) The overly-competitive, who wont help people out. Sure, it's a competition. But seriously, have some common human decency. If someone doesn't understand what you consider a very basic concept, then they likely wont be competition for your place in med/dent/whatever, so take 5 minutes to help the poor sod, you'll make their day.
5) People who have no social life in HSFY, not because they can't have/don't want one, but because they're paranoid it'll affect their chances. Balance. That's really all I need to say there. Never underestimate the importance of balance in HSFY.
There are others (trust me, I'm an opinionated, judgemental prick, so there are other things that p*ss me off about people in HSFY), but these are the main ones, by and large.

The HSFY course as a whole: Lets get one thing clear before I start this: While I was doing HSFY (I'm allowed to use past-tense now, I finished it today), I hated it. Really badly. Several times, I wanted to quit and do something easier. But I didn't, and I'm glad I didn't. But seriously, the course is amazingly well-run. I'd also argue it's among the fairest (if not the fairest) of any selection process for medicine anywhere in the world. Bold claim, yes. Here's some of my reasoning: We all live within about a 1km radius of each other, sit the same exams, and attend the same lectures. There are pretty much no external factors influencing grades between groups of health-scis, and so the grades you get, by and large, are the grades you deserve. UMAT's validity may be questionable, but I'm inclined to think it no less or more questionable than an interview (after all, they're both one high-pressure window where you have to perform at your best, or you're out), and I don't think that grades can really be used as the only determining factor for 'who would make a good doctor', so the use of UMAT in the selection process here really doesn't ruffle my feathers (read: this opinion is likely biased by my reasonably good UMAT result). All in all, I think the course is very well run, very fair (the NCEA vs. CIE debate will rage forever, but I'll just say this: I only just scraped university entrance, and did better in HSFY than many of those with ~100 excellence credits in level 3, and those with similar CIE grades. HSFY is a fairly level playing field, at the beginning of the course, and I think it's pretty hard to estimate HSFY marks based on school marks).

Conclusion: If you're sitting at highschool in New Zealand, wondering whether you should do HSFY, or apply to undergrad med/dent in Australia, my advice would be to do HSFY. Sure, it's a hellish course at times, and it'll test your limits, but I feel that's really helped me to define why exactly I want to do medicine, and just how far I'm willing to go to get it. Do HSFY. It'll be cheaper/more logistically convenient by far, You can always apply to Aussie as a non-standard at the end of the year (as I have), and HSFY definitely isn't a waste of time, even if you don't make it into your chosen professional course. What it teaches you extends beyond simply the course content, and it's hard to explain, but if you do it, you'll know what I mean. I'll always be a health-sci, even when/if I'm a 50 year-old practising doctor. Without meaning to sound overly philosophical, a year of hellish competition wont kill you, and will probably do you good. Sure, I hated it for most of the time I was doing it, but, looking back on it now, I'm really glad I did it, and am really proud of myself for sticking with it, even when it all felt too much.

Disclaimer: All views expressed here are my own anecdotes, and you probably really shouldn't base any decisions on my opinions, nor take my word as fact. I hope this blog is found to be interesting, but I really would rather it isn't quoted in discussions about decisions relating to health-sci, as it is highly opinionated, and contains few concrete facts.

Really, I'm just glad it's over. I hope my marks are good enough for medicine, but, even if they aren't, this year has been a good thing for me. I wish HSFY 2011 the best of luck with their professional course applications, and HSFY 2012/subsequent years the best of luck tackling this horror in the years to follow.

I just can't believe it's over.

Updated 29-10-11 at 09:01 AM by Shizzy

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  1. frootloop's Avatar
    Edit from Shizzy:

    ​I increased the character limit and fixed your post for you!
    Updated 29-10-11 at 09:01 AM by Shizzy
  2. clever_cat's Avatar
    I just can't believe it's over.
    andI just can't believe you wrote that HUMUNGOUS blog entry!
    Haven't read it yet (I came here to procrastinate but alas I must procrastinate at procrastinating...procrasti-ception? )
    HOWEVER I gather you've finished HSFY - CONGRATULATIONS frooty!!!!!!
    Good on you for your dedication, perseverance, endurance and guts.

    All the best from catface
  3. koochkooch's Avatar
    Congrats on finishing and all the best for December 22nd.
  4. Hebros's Avatar
    Wow! That just about sums it all up! Thanks in the name of future generations
  5. greenglacier's Avatar
    And there it is, the post HSFY word dump

    Seriously though, you're not the first person to write a big thing about your HSFY experiences straight after it's over - it's so long and life consuming that you really do need to get it out of your system when you finally escape. Good luck for getting into med - med 2/3 has something like 40 Matt Bevin lectures, some amazing public health (like, I really wasn't a fan of HEAL192 and now I really do like public health), and not cooperating with/helping your colleagues can cause you to get marked down. On that basis alone I suspect you'd love it!
  6. Cathay's Avatar
    I just can't believe it's over.
    Not really, once a health sci, always a health sci :P This is quite an impressive blog, though I might've recommended sleep at that kind of time in the morning :P

    Thought I'd just get a word in to present "the other side" of chem. Chemistry does set up a lot of the concepts to make parts of HUBS and BIOC more understandable, in the same way that PHSI helps HUBS192, and CELS helps BIOC.

    List of things covered in chemistry and their respective later application:
    Thermodynamics: Bioc - bioenergetics (sure, it's only one lecture at the beginning of metabolism, but it'd confuse you if you didn't do chem)
    Equilibrium: Hubs & bioc - it's much easier to get your head around things in the blood being carried by proteins and randomly dropped off if you know it's in an equilibrium. Bioc - a lot of metabolic things (especially shifts) depend on equilibria.
    Acid-Base: Hubs - acid base, granted, Matt Bevin isn't fussed about the chemistry, but it helps understanding.
    Kinetics: Bioc - enzyme kinetics.
    Redox: Bioc - vaguely relates to the electron transport chain
    Organics: Bioc - allows you to recognize and appreciate what happens in each step of the metabolic cycles, if nothing else.
    Biological Molecules series: essentially a precursor to Bioc.

    I do appreciate that much of the details go out the window, but it's not like we revisited such things as optics, radiation, microbiology, or even the bulk of molecular genetics... (Except the special HGP 10th Anniversary lectures, which I don't think was even examined?)

    Disclaimer
    : this comment does not attempt to challenge frootloop's opinion (althought Matt would've liked to see that :P) but simply presents an alternative view for any future health scis to not get discouraged by chemistry, which was probably the hardest paper in 1st semester.
  7. medicinegirl's Avatar
    Congrats :-D And good luck. It's a really good thing you hung in there
  8. mango101's Avatar
    Thanks for writing up the summary. Congrats for completing HSFY and best of luck with getting into med!
  9. Hutcherson's Avatar
    Congratz frootloop, I'm so proud of you. Very interesting reflection on the HSFY course. Glad to have a better insight about it
  10. studyinghardatm's Avatar
    Congrats frootloop! Hope you get in med! Thanks for your blog entries i really found them helpful cuz i'm also one of the average Merit grade Ncea student who intends to follow your path hearing your story inspires me and i feel like i am good enough to take on the challenge next year!
  11. bignose's Avatar
    why do you want to do Medicine
  12. poutine's Avatar
    Thanks so much for this blog Frootloop... it was very insightful! Hope all of your finals went well!
  13. frootloop's Avatar
    Thanks all Good to know that this wasn't a wasted effort
    Studyinghardatm: Trust me, if you're a merit student, then you're doing quite a bit better than I was in year 13, and you're definitely not an 'average' student. HSFY and level 3 are totally different, so I'm sure if you apply yourself, and manage to study the right way, you'll find yourself topping the kids who got >80 E credits.
    And bignose: I could give you all the clichéd (but true) reasons like 'I want to help people' and 'I love the science behind it', but to be honest, I want to be a doctor because I love challenging myself, and being put under pressure makes me work all that much harder/better, and this may sound weird, but I love it. For example, I used to race karts, and at unimportant race meetings like 'club days', I'd rarely make the top ten. Come the nationals, and I got 4th, because the pressure was on me. That's when I work best, and I love being in an environment like that, and I don't think I'd get that in many other occupations. (Waits for flaming on how naive I am. Be gentle, Chinaski )
    ETA: Ta to Shizzster for increasing the character limit.
    Oh, yeah, and read Cathay's comment. Just because I was pretty terrible at anything related to chemistry, doesn't mean you necessarily will be. Although I do stand by my statement that you don't need CHEM in BIOC. Sure, if you're cathay ( ), and you like to understand absolutely everything that's going on, then CHEM would improve your understanding of the reaction mechanisms in BIOC, but to be honest, you don't *really* need to know what happens at a molecular level when isocitrate is converted to alpha-ketogluterate by an oxidative decarboxylation (Oxidative: Something gets oxidised. Decarboxylation: Isocitrate loses a CO2. See? Just sounding it out tells you what happens at a molecular level, even if you fail as badly as me at chemistry ) in the CAC, just appreciate that cool chemistry happens, and remember the overly classy words they use.
    Updated 30-10-11 at 09:44 PM by frootloop
  14. Omm's Avatar
    "Without meaning to sound overly philosophical, a year of hellish competition wont kill you, and will probably do you good. "
    Amen to that!
  15. Bamboozle's Avatar
    Man froot, this is one amazing summary!
  16. Nimbus2000's Avatar
    This is like the ultimate summary that no uni bothers to give us! Thanks froot!
  17. juna's Avatar
    Thanks frootloop for this!!! Just a question though, you said that physics 191 was not that difficult. I have a friend who wants to become a dentist, but she didn't do level 3 physics (pretty sure that she did level 2 though). Will this impact her performance significantly? (she said she might do the jumpstart course, but she doesn't have $750, you see....). I mean, she's pretty all right at maths, and everything.... Just thought I'd ask on her behalf.
    Thanks
  18. frootloop's Avatar
    @juna : Personally I found the content of PHSI191 to be at a lower level than NCEA level 3 physics. There were a few topics in PHSI191 that hadn't been covered at school, sure, but the actual content was at a lower level, in my opinion. That said, she may have to do a bit more work than most to catch up early in the course, as mechanics is the first part taught, and it sure is taught fast, so if her physics is a bit rusty, she may have to do a bit of work. That said, I don't think it will substantially disadvantage her having not done level 3 physics, so as long as her work ethic is fine (which is pretty much a pre-requisite for doing well in HSFY anyway), I don't see it being too much of an issue.
  19. Scotty1's Avatar
    Hey frootloop, do you mind sharing what your UMAT percentile was? Thanks
  20. greenglacier's Avatar
    @Scotty1 , you can find that out by reading through the forum, it's not that hard to find. If you refer to the NZ forum you'll also be able to find out stuff like what UMAT score you need to get in.
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